Dulce Base Information
THE FOLLOWING IS A SUMMARY OF NOTES TAKEN BY JIM MC CAMPBELL CONCERNING TWO TELEPHONE INTERVIEWS WITH DR. PAUL F.BENNEWITZ
Side A of Cassette. The original notes show that by a signature and date, that Dr. Bennewitz reviewed them and made corrections which are marked by parenthesis.
This is Jim McCampbell making a recording of a remarkable episode on July 13, 1984. It has to do with a UFO base, cattle mutilation, advanced weaponry, contact with aliens, etc..
The episode began about a week ago when I received a little semi- annual periodical titled STIGMA. It is number 21, the First half of 1984. This little bulletin is prepared by Thomas Adams
at P.O. Box 1094, Paris, TX 75460. He has a hotline for reporting possible or confirmed mutilation at (214) 784-5922.
He has a rather lengthy article. One finds point of interest on page 9 and I suppose the only way to pursue this is to read what he has here as it is fundamental to the entire story.
Quoting “In May of 1980 a most interesting event occurred in northern New Mexico. An event similar in many respects to the Doraty Case. A mother and her son were driving on a rural highway near Cimarron, New Mexico. They observed two or more craft and as Judy Doraty did, they observed a calf being abducted. Both observers were themselves abducted and taken on separate craft to what was apparently an underground installation (woman witnessed mutilation in the field-dead animal taken with them), where the woman witnessed the mutilation of the calf. It has been alleged that she also observed a vat containing unidentified (cattle) body parts floating in a liquid, and another vat containing the body of a human male. The woman was subjected to an examination and it has been further alleged that small metallic objects were implanted into her body as well as into her son’s body. More than one source has informed us that CAT scans have confirmed the presence of these implants.
Paul Bennewitz, President of his own scientific company in Albuquerque and an investigator with the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization, has been the principle investigator of the case. Interviewed in his office in April 1983, Bennewitz reports that through regressive hypnosis of the mother and child and his own follow-up investigation, (including communications received via his computer terminal which ostensive is from a UFO related source), he was able to determine the location of the underground facility, a kilometer underground beneath the Jicarillo Apache Indian Reservation near Dulce, New Mexico.
(Since 1976, one of the areas of the U.S. hardest hit by mutilations coincidentally or whatever). Bennewitz’s information is that this installation is operated jointly as part of a ongoing program of cooperation between the U.S. government and extraterrestrial UFOnauts. The story continues that, after initial contacts years ago, the aliens agreed to give “us” certain technological advances while we provided them with the location for the New Mexico base, and at least three others. Plus, the aliens were to be allowed to carry out certain operations, abductions and mutilations without our intervention.
The mother and son, by the way, were returned back to there car that night. Since the incident, they have suffered repeated trauma and difficulties as they attempt to recover from the episode. We pass this along because the account is, of course, most crucial if true; but we are not in a position to confirm the alleged findings. Hopefully, more information regarding this incident will be aired in the near future. We can only consider such reports while continuing to seek the evidence to refute or confirm.” That’s the end of this remarkable quotation from STIGMATA.
As I have been studying the idea of a base for aliens for some time, this has caught my attention and I also suspected cooperation between the U.S. government and the aliens. It also gives the name and location of a man who has his own scientific operation, Dr. Paul Bennewitz. I tried to get in touch with him. Through the telephone information service I was able to do so.
Dr. Paul F. Bennewitz
1413 Wagontrail Drive S.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87123
(505) 298-1609
(EDITORS NOTE* This is presumably Dr. Bennewitz home address. We do know that the listed phone number is no longer good.)
I got in touch with Dr. Bennewitz by telephone and indicated that I had seen this reference to him and his work and I wanted to find out whether he was being misrepresented or whatever. I told him that I would xerox a copy of it and forward it to him for comments, which I did. This morning July 13, 1984, he telephoned me and said that he, having looked over the article, found that it was substantially correct. I forgot to mention that in my letter to him I said that none of the details that were in this particular article gave me any particular strain. The Dr. Bennewitz, who I will refer to as Paul…took the time to close the door to his office and elaborated upon the whole story and the conversation lasted somewhere near an hour. It is rather mind boggling and here is the substance of that telephone conversation.
The article is basically accurate and he does have the coordinates of the base. He is a physicist and he started four years ago to determine in his own mind whether UFOs exist or do not, and he has gotten much more deeply involved than he ever intended. It has caused him a great deal of trouble from the government intelligence groups. He has pictures from the location.
He went with a Highway Patrol Officer and they saw a UFO take off
from a mesa at the location. He obtained photographs and what he
calls launch ships were 330 feet long and a 130 feet across. The
cattle rancher named Gomez and he went back to this location
which is a mesa and saw a surveillance vehicle which was about 5
ft by 10 ft, like a satellite, he said. He had been using a
polaroid camera and then got a Hassel-blad to produce much better
pictures. He set up a monitoring station and observed that UFO’s
are all over the area. He was also able to pick up signals and
obtain video pictures that are transmissions from alien screens.
He has been dealing heavily with a Major Edwards (“somebody”)(security commander of manzano) who was with Monsato Security and two (my wife and I) of them saw four objects outside of a warhead storage area at a range of about 2500 feet and obtained movies of them. He now has about 6000 feet of movie footage, of which 5000 ft. is in Super Eight. The objects have the ability to “cloak”, that’s his word, he spells the word like cloak and dagger, like cover up and he says that they can cause themselves to go invisible by a field that causes light waves to bend around the object that (one sees(?))-the sky behind them.
He confirmed the fact that the woman was picked up when she accidentally observed the calf being abducted. He has paid for pathology work and medical doctors. The pathologist is the former head of the microbiology Department of the University of New Mexico. They have done CATscans to show that the woman (we confirmed the woman-not the son) and her son did in fact have implants in their bodies. She has a vaginal disease like Streptococci- bulbi(?) and tried many antibodies (antibiotics?) to destroy the bacteria. That it has survived off the antibodies (antibiotics?) themselves. The aliens keep hassling her. (Still true to date)
Paul kept the woman and her mother at his house and the UFO’s were flying overhead constantly. There is no ESP involved, but it is just plain physics.
They beam down.(they send a beam down- not “beam down”) They have a beam through which they can sense her thoughts. They can communicate through this beam. She picked up their transmissions. He devised a method of communication based upon hex alfbic (askii)
(Editor’s Note-it’s ascii (idiots) code; one is equal to “no” and two being “yes”. Through this code he has been able to talk to aliens. He then computerized the system that would reject extraneous inputs. He said that they can be very threatening and malevolent. One of them he talked to said he would drop communication if he became to familiar. He was told about the base.
He then told the O.S.I. of the Air Force and he has (did give) been requested to give several presentations to high level Air Force people in briefings on the subject, wing level command and many others including this fellow Edwards. And he took a helicopter to the site-no no no. It turned out that the wing commander (No-Twice to site-1st by OSI agent-2nd by Col. Carpenter) after a presentation that this fellow made, then took a helicopter to the side (site) and made photographs.
He says that you can see saucers on the ground. He says there
is a kind of cone- a large cone- and the larger vehicles come and
land on top of the cone with the top of the cone fitting into a
large hole in the bottom. There is an elevator inside of the
cone and that goes down into the mountain or ground about one
kilometer. You can see the Aliens running around the base
getting into the vehicles and stuff. They use small vehicles to
get around that have no wheels. They are rectangular in shape
and they levitate. They do not show up in color because they are
highly reflective, but in B & W they are visible. He says that
there are beam weapons that are floating in strategic locations
and there is a road into the base. He obtained infra-red photo’s
of the area from an altitude of 14000 ft. There is a level
highway going into the area that is thirty-six feet wide. It is
a government road. One can see telemetry trailers and buildings
that are five sided buildings with a dome. It is standard
military procedure. There are many guard points and “stakes”(?)
and there are launch domes that one can see. Next to the
(launch) dome he saw a black limousine and another at some
distance off. (Apparently) The careful measurements showed that
the limousine was the same length as his Lincoln Town Car. It is
a C.I.A. vehicle. Also there as a blue van. He has been
cautioned about these limousines as they will run you off the
road if you try to get into the area and in fact somebody has
been killed in that manner.(see copy of alien msg. enclosed.)
To the north is a launch site. There are two wrecked ships there: they are thirty-six feet with wings, and one can see oxygen and hydrogen tanks. There are four cylindrical objects, Socorro type–two carrying something while flying. The whole operation is based upon a government agreement and a technology trade. We get out of it atomic ships that are operated by plutonium.
The Cash-Landrum case was one of them. The doors jammed open and neutron radiation came out.
They are based at Kirtland Air Force Base and Holloman AFB and some place in Texas.(No – only knew of one based at HAFB.[1/2/86 based at Kirtland now]. Possibly Fort Hood, Texas-a guess only.)
He said the government is paying the bills for Cash-Landrum victims.(Editor’s note*-This is true only because Cash and Landrum obtained an attorney who filed suit against the government.) (OSI input-found out later this was not true unless some one covering)(Editors Note*- It is in fact true. The government did pay Cash and Landrums hospital bills. Both women and the grandson were diagnosed as suffering from radiation poisoning.) Refueling of the Plutonium is accomplished at Los Alamos. He has traced pictures as far back as 1948. It was there even then. Pictures in 1952 (1962), you can see many saucers and the base and trucks in winter time. The road was “passed off” to the local inhabitants as a lumber contract. He has photographs (I believe) of the firing of a beam weapon that ejects (?) in two directions. (That would be necessary on a flying saucer. The reaction forces would impede the vehicle.) He has computed the speeds of flying saucers at 15,000 mph and indicated that the pilots (of ours) are from N.S.A., the National Security Agency. The aliens have had atomic propulsion system for 48 years and the saucers themselves operate on an electrical charge basis having to do with a crystal semi-conductor and (maybe a) a super lattice. I think he said “as you increase the voltage, the current goes down”. (No typically). At present there are six to eight vehicles, maybe up to ten over the area and sometimes up to 100. They can be seen in the clouds and produce nitrogen nitrate (I assume or speculate it is this). You will see black spots in the clouds. They eat holes in the cloud. If you see black spots in a cloud, then you can tell that a vehicle is in there.
He says that they come from six different cultures and in his communications that some come from a binary system, possibly Zeta Reticuli and from distances up to and larger than 32 light years away. The also (appear) have one to three ships in earth orbit at 50,000 KM altitude (Based upon data). He had to form the words to try and communicate and he produced a vocabulary of 6(27) words in a matrix form and uses a computer. The flying saucer (we see) are limited to operation in the atmosphere.
Now with regard to the cattle problem, the aliens are using the DNA from the cattle and are making humanoids. He got pictures of their video screen. Some of these creatures are animal like, some are near human and some are human and short with large heads. They grow the embryos. After the embryos become active by a year of training, presumably that is required for them to become operational. When they die, they go back into the tank. Their parts are recovered.
In 1979 something happened and the base was closed. There was an argument over weapons and our people were chased out, more than 100 people involved.(Some place later he indicates further details on this point.)
The base is 4000 ft. long and our helicopters are going in and out all the time. When it became known that he was familiar with all this, the mutilations stopped (true). They are taking humanoid embryos out of this base to some place else. I asked if it was Albuquerque or Los Alamos (note 1/2/86-looks like it “is” albuq.), but he said he didn’t know. He said there are still quite a few of the helicopters in operation. They fly at night (all unmarked). He went up there himself in a helicopter and the O.S.I. briefed the pilot and he thought perhaps the copter pilot himself might have been an undercover man. They saw the helicopter pads up there-Viet Nam type, with bearing markers and the trees pushed off away from the location. It is such a wild area he said. He agreed to send me the coordinates of this base.
Regarding the abductions of people, they pick out medium to low IQ personnel. They are able to scope out each one.[so we can do the same thing with electro- magnetic spectrum analyzer.](I don’t know this part-word mix up-drop). They pick up these people and then put implants into them and then take tissue samples, including ovum from the women, sperm from the men and DNA.
They can program these people as slaves to do whatever they wish and they will have no memory of it. They (the hard core type) staunchly refuse to be x-rayed or hypnotically regressed. You can recognize them because of their eyes. He says “peculiar look in the eyes (an expression) and a funny smile”. Hynek knows about all of this and has been in contact with Coral (Lorenzen).
He regards Hynek as a threat (Not really-I just think that he is still a Gov. cover) At his house, he showed Hynek films and out in the back yard a flying saucer. He asked Hynek about his view with regard to abductions as to how many people might have been abducted. Hynek, un-hesitantly said about one in forty.
He said that many people come to his door to see him, just “out of the blue” and he sees scars on the back of their necks. That previous old scars are easy to detect and that new ones are hard to detect. He feels that this is a sickening situation.
The aliens have gone wild and use hypodermics [and notes a (I
don’t known either) parallel four times”.] (McCampbell: I don’t
know what that means) He has been paralyzed four times and has
been hit 250 times by hypodermics. He says they knock you cold
and do whatever they want to do and the above points have been
verified medically.
A man came to see him with a top secret document that was dated in the 50’s, indicating if anybody found out about all of this that they would kill them. He was asked “doesn’t that bother you?” He said “no it didn’t.”
He said he had sent in some film to Kodak and there were seven
rolls. They were Ektachrome G which could not be processed
locally, so they had to go to Kodak. He does all of the film
work commercially so that nobody could claim that he had
monkeyed, but one was (was missing for 2 months) plain
Ektachrome, but (when received) nine feet was missing and this
was close-ups of UFO’s that he had taken. The missing pictures
of the nine feet (the 9 ft didn’t-other known only to me did)
showed up in a top secret document that he studied and the code
name is Aquarius and it is a project of the (I was told NASA)
National Security Agency. They are the ones that kept his film
and copied it with deletions on Ektachrome and sent it back (I
suspect).
There have been indirect threats by Air Force Intelligence against him.
The location of the base is 2 1/2 miles northwest of Dulce and almost over looks the town. It is up on a mesa. We discussed the similarity between everything we have been talking about here and the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind”. He said he speculated that seemed to be a plan of disclosure, that is the movie. The coordinates of the location are not far off and the mountain where the actual base is looks much like the mountain in the movie.
The next thing was — Discussing the trade off–alright. Here
is what we got in the trade off. We got the atomic technology,
the atomic flying ships. Several of them, the first one was
wrecked on the ground and it can be seen and photographed from
the air. A second one was wrecked. A third one was wrecked.
Apparently this last one was repaired and was the one that was in
Houston — Near Houston in the Cash-Landrum case. The second
item that we get out of it, are the beam weapons, the beam
technology and third (I speculate) is the thought beam. That is
the means by which communication is accomplished. It is
electrostatic in character with a magnetic (artifact)
component and it is the only way of communicating with people.
They have to have the implants in order to use it. In the crash
that occurred at the base when there was a disturbance of some
sort, the aliens killed 66 of our people and 44 got away (alien
computer input-true?-I do not know.) Over an argument they turned
on us.
I discussed with him whether he wished me to relay any of
this information to other people. He said he had no objection.
He would like to review any writing that I might do, to make sure
that it was right in advance, and also make sure that the source
of information was given. I mentioned in particular, John
Schuessler, who would be extremely interested in part of this
data.
I gave him a summary of my analysis of the electromagnetic environment around UFO’s related to propulsion. He was going to study that, but he did not comment off hand. He was familiar with what the aliens called MPS which means manipulations per second–no, manipulations per sequence. In an electrostatic field that can be manipulated into many configurations and the craft can stall. In order to prevent that, this field is adjusted once every forty milliseconds. He has studied the trails from UFO’s and they seem to break down at a pulse rate of 62 per second. Based upon the color movie pictures, there seems to be a blast of light and a spectral components and composition there, with a bow-wave in front of the UFO with nitrogen showing green and oxygen showing blue, but with the saucer being invisible. They can run into a car or airplane and this bow- wave will destroy them. Rockets can hit this bow-wave and be destroyed. They can’t penetrate it. At White Sands he was shown pictures of an F-15 shooting rockets with a missile at a target and the saucers came in behind the missile, 30 ft behind, and then flew through the explosion. He didn’t know what the purpose of this demonstration was, but suspected it might be just to show how invulnerable they are. But some times the saucers get into trouble and they are all consumed in some kind of way.
When he went up to Dulce in a helicopter, they landed and left some equipment there, but when they came back the pilot was extremely nervous. Paul wanted to land on the base, but the pilot wouldn’t do that. They came back to Dulce and landed on a small strip there, where they found two large Huey Helicopters.
The indian (Highway Patrolman) in charge there named Valdez went aboard one of the choppers and they found them to be full of commando’s. They estimated a total of about 75 commandos, fully armed with M1 rifles (no-M16’s) and rockets (and launchers). They did not have any indication of rank. They only had shoulder patches on (Valdez says no-not true-my mistake-I did not get that close.) and the helicopters had no identification other than numbers. The helicopters were part of a project called Blue Light and they were from Fort Carson, Colorado. (OSI input) When they left they were escorted by these two large Huey Helicopters.
As they were flying along–in the background, they saw rise up one of the advanced space technology vehicles that looked like a manta ray with negative dihedral and projections coming down. It flew vertically past the two accompanying helicopters. Paul feels that it is imperative that this information be released because he feels that it is unconstitutional for the government to be involved in such an arrangement that invades the privacy of the individuals by the implantation. He said that “once they have been tampered with by the aliens, they are never the same.”(I suppose one can easily see that.) (Jim McCampbell comments) So it appears that the–for the privilege of collecting the biological materials in the mutilation of and the abductions and the operations on board the craft, the government has allowed this to go on and even to assist for the privilege of getting the Nuclear flight technology, plus also the embryos which are flown out of the base. (A rather fantastic story) (Jim McCampbell comment) Paul strikes me as being extremely conservative, extremely knowledgeable and reliable scientist, who was intimately familiar with sophisticated laboratory equipment.
He is thoroughly scientific and reliable. (Jim McCampbell evaluation) The base was started in 1948 and in the text above, I indicated a reference to 1942 that should be 1952, showing major construction of the base from the photographs that were studied. This is the end of the message.-Jim McCampbell.
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